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Explainerestablished confidence 5 of 5: Multiple independent lines of evidence; treated as settled in the field.Q135-the-clean-pair-and-the-two-uncomputed-mark-channels

Every noise floor in this thread is computed from within-sample shares, which sum to one. A purely local change therefore leaks into every other stratum by arithmetic, so no floor measured this way can distinguish 'the bulk moved' from 'the peaks moved and the shares renormalised'. A tighter floor is not thereby a cleaner one.

also called the renormalisation bound · shares sum to one · redistribution, never abundance

Because the measurements are expressed as fractions of each sample's own total, they always add up to 100 per cent. If one region's fraction goes up, every other region's must go down, even if nothing happened there. So these numbers can show that a signal moved around the genome but never that there is more or less of it overall.

The same thing, for a scientist

**The construction.** For track `T` and bin `i`, `share_T(i) = x_T(i) / sum_j x_T(j)` over the shared universe, and the statistic is `R(S) = sum_{i in S} share_A(i) / sum_{i in S} share_B(i)`. The normalisation is forced: GSE260742 deposits **no usable spike-in** - Q117 verified zero hits for the entire spike-in vocabulary across all 419,824 characters of its 158 sample records - and no scale factor. **The bound that follows, in one line:** `sum_S share = 1` over all strata, so `R(S) > 1` at one stratum forces `R(S') < 1` somewhere else. **The instrument measures REDISTRIBUTION and is blind to ABUNDANCE by construction.** **Why this must be restated every time a floor gets tighter.** A smaller `|R-1|` is read intuitively as 'the two replicates agree better', which invites 'so a difference above it is real'. Neither follows. A pair of replicates that both lost half their mark uniformly would give `|R-1| = 0` at every stratum - a perfect floor, measuring nothing. The floor bounds one nuisance and licenses no conclusion. **And there is published evidence this is not hypothetical.** Orlando et al. showed that conventional ChIP-seq normalisation reports **no** H3K27me3 reduction under an EZH2 inhibitor, while a Drosophila chromatin spike-in reveals a substantial one. The failure mode is exactly the one above, in the exact mark family this thread works on.

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What the bound does and does not forbid

Permitted: statements about the SHAPE of a distribution across strata - a gradient in eviction depth, a stratum-dependent floor, a sign difference between two marks over the same bins. These survive because renormalisation acts on all strata of a track together and cannot reverse a sign between two marks measured in separate libraries.

Forbidden: any statement of the form 'the mark went up/down', unqualified. It has to read 'the mark's share at these bins went up relative to the rest of the genome in the same library'.

Silently at risk: a floor. |R-1| at a stratum is a difference of shares, so a pair of replicates whose libraries differ in overall efficiency will show a floor that is partly the renormalisation of that efficiency difference across strata - which is one reason the floor is stratum-dependent and one reason it varies so much between arms.

Facts and figures
statisticR(S) = sum_S share_A / sum_S share_B, floor = |R-1|
spike in presentfalse
spike in searchzero hits for the spike-in vocabulary across 419,824 characters of GSE260742's 158 sample records (Q117)
measuresredistribution between strata
blind touniform change in abundance
Still open
  1. Is there a deposit in this fusion field with a spike-in and same-condition replicates, against which the share-based floor could be calibrated to an absolute one?
  2. Can the input tracks in GSE260742 bound the renormalisation term, by measuring how much of a track's share shift is reproduced by its own matched input?
Every source behind this entry (1)
  1. E1strong confidence 4 of 5: Replicated in peer-reviewed work by more than one group.dataset

    Every floor reported by this beat and by cycles 100-107 from GSE260742 is a ratio of within-sample shares over a shared bin universe, because the deposit contains no spike-in and no deposited scale factor. Shares sum to one over the universe, so the statistic measures redistribution between strata and is blind to a uniform change in abundance.

    What this evidence cannot show

    This is a statement about the construction of the statistic, not an empirical finding, and it is therefore not falsifiable by more data from this deposit - only by a deposit that carries a spike-in. THE RENORMALISATION BOUND, AND IT APPLIES TO EVERY NUMBER IN THIS ENTRY. Within-sample shares sum to 1 and GSE260742 has NO USABLE SPIKE-IN (Q117 verified zero hits for the entire spike-in vocabulary across all 419,824 characters of its 158 sample records, and no scale factor is deposited), so a purely local change leaks into every other stratum by arithmetic. A FLOOR COMPUTED THIS WAY CANNOT DISTINGUISH 'the bulk moved' from 'the peaks moved and the shares renormalised'. A TIGHTER NUMBER IS NOT THEREBY A CLEANER ONE.

    Evidence that argues against this (2)
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