The measurement q148 called the one thing that could overturn its headline: scored as ~20 kb intervals instead of 2 kb promoters, the authors' GMP-like class is enriched in 0 of 24 untreated non-circular samples, while the two control classes reach 19 and 10 - so the promoter window was not the limitation
also called AML_specific 0 of 24 at interval scale · interval scoring does not rescue the GMP class · 62-66% of the GMP signal was already promoter-visible
A previous beat found no sign of a progenitor gene programme, and its own best objection was that it had only looked at narrow windows around gene starts. Looking at the full wide regions the original authors defined gives the same answer, while two comparison sets behave as expected.
The same thing, for a scientist
Q148 returned NEITHER on whether the HOXA-negative blasts carry the authors' GMP-like programme, and named its own best objection as **the cheapest remaining gap and "the one measurement that could overturn the headline"**: it had scored **2 kb promoters of annotated genes**, while the authors' peaks have a **median width of 19,943 bp**, so a signal in gene bodies or enhancers would be invisible. Q150 ran the interval-scale version across all 27 samples and **died on the session limit before reporting it.** **Design: interval scale, genome-wide 5 kb fragment-count bins, leave-the-sample-out coverability, 10000 draws, seed 1500150.** | class | intervals scored | enriched, untreated non-circular | |---|---:|---:| | `Oncoprotein_Target` *(control)* | 677 | **19 of 24** | | `ALL_specific` *(control)* | 20 | **10 of 24** | | **`AML_specific`** *(the GMP-like class)* | 33 | **0 of 24** | 🔵 **The controls make the zero a measurement.** The canonical oncoprotein-target class is enriched in **19 of 24** samples and the B-lineage class in **10 of 24**, on the same intervals, the same null and the same samples. **The instrument works; the GMP-like class is simply not enriched anywhere** [E1]. 🟠 **And the width rationale was weaker than it looked.** Q150's direct test of it (M1b) measured what fraction of each class's signal a promoter window can actually see. For `AML_specific` that fraction is **0.62-0.66** - so a 2 kb window was already capturing roughly two thirds of the class's signal, and the ~20 kb intervals were never hiding most of it [E1]. 🔴 **So q148's NEITHER verdict is confirmed by the test q148 itself nominated to overturn it.** The GMP-like destination is not there at promoter scale and not there at interval scale, with working positive controls at both.
The reagent shrinks at interval scale, and that is a real limit
The interval-scale class sizes are smaller than the promoter-scale ones q148 used: Oncoprotein_Target 677 against q148's 827, ALL_specific 20 against 37, and AML_specific 33 against 40. Overlap with q148's universe is 595, 17 and 29 respectively.
So this is not simply a wider view of the same material - it is a different and in places thinner reagent, and a 33-interval class has correspondingly less power than a 40-promoter one. The zero should be read with that in mind. What protects it is the controls: the same shrinkage applies to Oncoprotein_Target, which still reaches 19 of 24.
Genome-wide, only 3.98% of the 5 kb bins used for the coverability null overlap a promoter, and 71 Oncoprotein_Target intervals were lost to zero-coverage bins. Both are declared in the result file rather than discovered afterwards.
| script | analyses/q150-the-authors-intervals-and-the-depth-matched-discriminator/m1c.py |
|---|---|
| status | run |
| run date | 2026-09-24 |
| written up by | coordinator, cycle 139, from the agent's result files after it died mid-beat |
| design | interval scale, genome-wide 5 kb fragment-count bins, leave-the-sample-out coverability |
| n draws | 10000 |
| seed | 1500150 |
| promoter overlapping bins PCT | 3.975 |
| n scorable intervals | 1620 |
| frac gmp signal promoter visible | 0.62-0.66 (M1b, one sample's libraries) |
set sizes interval scale — the numbers behind the chart
{
"Oncoprotein_Target": 677,
"ALL_specific": 20,
"AML_specific": 33
}set sizes q148 promoter scale — the numbers behind the chart
{
"ALL_specific": 37,
"Oncoprotein_Target": 827,
"AML_specific": 40
}overlap with q148 universe — the numbers behind the chart
{
"Oncoprotein_Target": 595,
"ALL_specific": 17,
"AML_specific": 29
}enriched untreated noncircular
{
"Oncoprotein_Target": "19/24",
"ALL_specific": "10/24",
"AML_specific": "0/24"
}lost intervals zero bins — the numbers behind the chart
{
"Oncoprotein_Target": 71,
"ALL_specific": 0,
"AML_specific": 1
}measurements
[
{
"quantity": "samples in which the authors' AML_specific (GMP-like) class is enriched, interval scale",
"value": 0,
"unit": "count of samples",
"subject": "the 33-interval AML_specific class against a width- and coverability-matched null",
"universe": "24 untreated non-circular GSE252378 samples; the same test gives 19 and 10 for the Oncoprotein_Target and ALL_specific control classes"
}
]- Power: what effect size would a 33-interval class in 24 samples have detected? Without it, 0 of 24 bounds the programme loosely rather than excluding it.
- The class was defined in p279/p318, which are excluded as circular. Is there any independent definition of a GMP-like promoter set - from a normal haematopoiesis reference rather than from these patients - that could be scored without circularity?
confirms NEITHER at interval scale, 0 of 24 with controls at 19 and 10
the GMP-like programme is not detectable at promoter or interval scale in this deposit
bears on the destination half of that paradox: no GMP-like enrichment outside the defining pair
the interval-scale reagent is smaller again: 20 ALL_specific intervals against 37 promoters