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Analysisstrong confidence 4 of 5: Replicated in peer-reviewed work by more than one group.Q143-menin-under-drug-in-infants

The authors' own deposited table puts menin at 0.87 of its diagnostic-sample signal over their oncoprotein-target peaks, in the sample their text describes as having menin reduced to undetectable levels - the two statements are about different denominators, and only one of them travels

The paper says menin became undetectable in the drug-treated sample. The authors' own published spreadsheet, covering the same genes in the same sample, says menin kept 87% of its signal. Both are honest: the first describes what a genome browser picture looks like, the second is a number from a within-library calculation that cannot see a whole-cell loss at all.

The same thing, for a scientist

`p148752_152985_Menin_Signal.csv` in the authors' repository carries their own quantification of menin over 1,692 unique peak intervals in both aliquots. Over the 1,595 labelled `Oncoprotein_Target`, the median AML/ALL ratio of their `sum_norm` column is **0.871**; ENL is **0.827** and DOT1L **0.900**. Their prose says *"both menin and DOT1L were reduced to undetectable levels in the menin-inhibitor-treated AML"*. The reconciliation is the normalisation: their `sum_norm` is fragment base pairs in the interval, divided by the interval length, divided by the **total base-pair coverage of the whole library**, plus a pseudocount of 1. **A within-library share cannot represent a global loss** - if every menin molecule left chromatin and the library were then made from background, the share at any interval would be whatever background gives there, not zero. Their 'undetectable' is a statement about browser tracks and peak calls; their 0.871 is a statement about a share. Neither is wrong and **the one that gets quoted is the one in the prose**.

Go deeper
The three numbers in one place
instrumentmeninENLDOT1Lwhat it measures
authors' own sum_norm table, 1,595 oncoprotein peaks0.8710.8270.900fragment bp per interval bp, per library total bp, +1
this beat, same intervals, fragment midpoints, CPM per kb0.5860.4490.538midpoint density, per library total midpoints
this beat, top 50 promoters defined in the drug-free aliquot0.0370.0710.040the same, on a focal 2 kb window instead of a 13 kb domain

Three defensible numbers for one quantity, spanning 24-fold. The spread is entirely the interval width and the pseudocount: a 13 kb domain dilutes a focal change, and adding 1 to a small density compresses ratios toward 1. The authors' pseudocount is the single largest contributor to the difference between rows 1 and 2.

Why this is a general lesson and not a complaint

The paper's conclusion is not in doubt - the browser tracks in Figure 7a are real and the peak calls did disappear. What is at stake is what a downstream reader carries away. 'Menin is undetectable under a menin inhibitor in a patient' is a sentence that will be used to argue that menin inhibition achieves complete target disengagement in vivo. The authors' own table, in the same repository, does not support that strength of claim, and no within-library measure could. When a paper's prose and its own deposited numbers disagree in strength, record both and say which one the deposited data can bear.

What would settle it

A spike-in. There is none anywhere in GSE252378 3, and its absence is why 'undetectable', 0.871 and 0.037 can all be true of the same libraries. A spike-in-normalised menin CUT&RUN in a patient on a menin inhibitor would convert every ratio in this beat from a share into an amount, and it is the single cheapest change to the protocol that would do so.

Facts and figures
quantitymenin retention at oncoprotein-target peaks, 152985 / 148752
spread fold23.5
authors proseboth menin and DOT1L were reduced to undetectable levels in the menin-inhibitor-treated AML
normalisation(interval bp coverage / interval length) / total library bp coverage * 1e9, + 1
spike innone anywhere in GSE252378
general lessonwhen a paper's prose and its own deposited numbers disagree in strength, record both and say which the data can bear
statusrun
scriptanalyses/menin-under-revumenib-in-an-infant-patient-pair/run.py
three instruments
this_beat_top50_drugfree_…0.037this_beat_top50_drugfree_promoters: 0.037this_beat_same_intervals_…0.586this_beat_same_intervals_midpoint_density: 0.586authors_sum_norm_1595_pea…0.871authors_sum_norm_1595_peaks: 0.871
authors own table
ENL0.827ENL: 0.827MENIN0.871MENIN: 0.871DOT1L0.900DOT1L: 0.9
three instruments — the numbers behind the chart
{
  "authors_sum_norm_1595_peaks": 0.871,
  "this_beat_same_intervals_midpoint_density": 0.586,
  "this_beat_top50_drugfree_promoters": 0.037
}
causes of spread
[
  "interval width: 13 kb median domain vs 2 kb promoter window",
  "the authors' +1 pseudocount compresses low-signal ratios toward 1",
  "coverage-in-bp vs midpoint-count as the signal definition"
]
authors own table — the numbers behind the chart
{
  "MENIN": 0.871,
  "ENL": 0.827,
  "DOT1L": 0.9
}
How this could bite us back
  • An exaggerated sense of how completely a menin inhibitor clears menin from chromatin in vivo supports monotherapy and discourages combination - in a patient who relapsed on that monotherapy with the fusion transcript still expressed.
  • The opposite error is available too: quoting 0.871 as 'the drug barely worked' ignores that the B-ALL clone was eliminated, which is the strongest evidence in the paper that the drug engaged its target.
Still open
  1. Would the authors' 0.871 survive removal of the +1 pseudocount? That is one line of their code and was not re-run here.
  2. How many of this corpus's menin-inhibitor occupancy claims rest on prose rather than on a deposited number, and do the deposited numbers agree with the prose?
  3. Does any published menin-inhibitor chromatin experiment in any system carry a spike-in? If not, every menin-displacement magnitude in the literature is a share.
Every source behind this entry (3)
  1. E1strong confidence 4 of 5: Replicated in peer-reviewed work by more than one group.dataset

    The authors' own deposited menin quantification gives a median AML/ALL ratio of 0.871 over their 1,595 oncoprotein-target peaks, in the sample their text describes as having menin at undetectable levels.

    MLL_oncoprotein_levels_NatComms - processed data tables and the figure-generation notebook for Janssens et al. 2024 · Janssens DH · GitHub / Zenodo (the paper's Code Availability statement) 2024
    What this evidence cannot show

    Read from `p148752_152985_Menin_Signal.csv`; the file carries 2,685 rows covering 1,692 unique intervals (the duplication is from the authors' own self-merge) and duplicates were collapsed before the median was taken. Their `sum_norm` adds a pseudocount of 1, which compresses ratios toward 1 for low-signal intervals.

    Evidence that argues against this (1)
    • The paper's 'undetectable' refers to genome-browser tracks and to peak calls, which are a different instrument from a median over 1,595 intervals, and a peak caller can legitimately return nothing where a median ratio is 0.87. Janssens DH et al. 2024
  2. E2established confidence 5 of 5: Multiple independent lines of evidence; treated as settled in the field.dataset

    The authors' normalisation divides interval coverage by the library's total base-pair coverage and adds 1, which is a within-library share and cannot represent a global change.

    MLL_oncoprotein_levels_NatComms - processed data tables and the figure-generation notebook for Janssens et al. 2024 · Janssens DH · GitHub / Zenodo (the paper's Code Availability statement) 2024
    What this evidence cannot show

    Read directly from the `quantify_signal` function in the authors' figure-generation notebook, which is deposited alongside the tables. The reading is of their code, not an inference from their methods text.

    Evidence that argues against this (1)
    • Reading a normalisation off deposited code is the most reliable route available, but the code in the repository is the figure-generation notebook rather than the pipeline that produced the deposited BED files, so an earlier normalisation step applied upstream would not be visible in it. Janssens DH 2024
  3. E3established confidence 5 of 5: Multiple independent lines of evidence; treated as settled in the field.dataset

    No spike-in exists anywhere in GSE252378, so no measurement from this deposit can distinguish a global loss from no change.

    What this evidence cannot show

    An absence over the 171 sample records' extract protocols and characteristics; a spike-in used but unrecorded is possible in principle, though the authors' automated protocols do not include one.

    Evidence that argues against this (1)
    • The authors' automated CUT&RUN platform uses a carry-over E. coli DNA fraction from the protein A-MNase preparation, which some groups use as an internal normaliser; if present in these libraries it is not recorded in GEO and was not used by the authors' own code. Janssens DH et al. 2018
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